women nomads and vulnerability

topic posted Mon, August 27, 2007 - 7:15 PM by  Jessica
Hi everyone,
I just joined this tribe because it is a dream of mine to one day become nomadic. I don't think I'm ready yet, but I got my whole life ahead of me, and I do tend to move a lot, but just different homes in the same city (san francisco, i looove it there!)

I've always been curious about women who travel alone. I have travelled alone overseas, but I'm talking about hitchhiking, train hopping, RV travel or car travel alone without any specific destination, where she takes care of herself day by day doing whatever it takes to find food/gas, other people to meet etc...

Especially with hitchhiking, aren't solo women travellers very vulnerable to various crimes such as rape, assault, murder, sexual harrassment, molestation, etc...especially if they are young and not strong enough to fight a bigger person? What do you do in these situations, and do you have any stories or advice on the subject? Have you ever had a bad experience such as this, or do you generally meet friendly people?
posted by:
Jessica
SF Bay Area
  • Re: women nomads and vulnerability

    Mon, August 27, 2007 - 8:25 PM
    I find that if you think of yourself as vulnerable and fearful, you give off that impression and attract the type of people who want to make that a reality for you. If you think of yourself as smart, capable, strong, confident, and fierce, you tend to be fine. Doesn't mean you have to be cocky, just know in your soul that you will f***ing kill anyone who tries to hurt you. When you value yourself, you don't tend to give off victim vibes.

    Also, be aware of your surroundings, make smart choices, have a backup plan, and trust you instincts.

    Cheers,
    SW
  • Re: women nomads and vulnerability

    Wed, August 29, 2007 - 8:12 AM
    I would say don't on the hitchhiking & train hopping.

    My experience - I currently do weekend travel trips and these are my basic rules

    #1 Don't be a victim.
    #2 Don't act like a victim
    #3 Use your smarts. Have a back up plan for worst-case scenario
    #4 Make a quick note of the city emergency numbers and community help numbers in case something really bad goes wrong. Such as your wallet is stolen, your car is stolen or you have an accident. I don't always do this but I should.
    #5 Let someone know the general area of where you will be (my bad habit)
    #6 Always be aware of your surroundings
    #7 Be willing to work odd jobs or volunteer in exchange for food / room
    #8 You don't need an $85 hotel room - I've slept in the back of my car at campgrounds and in beach parking lots. I've also stayed in hostels (I'm over 30) and motels and crashed on friends of friend’s couches.
    #9 Don't park n sleep in really bad areas - stay in the lighted areas
    #10 Use community boards like this one for information
    • Re: women nomads and vulnerability

      Wed, August 29, 2007 - 12:21 PM
      Well said Sierra.....Hitchhiking is not a great idea, you are subject to that persons mental state.
      Be safe out there ladies!
      Luvs, Krishna
      • Re: women nomads and vulnerability

        Wed, August 29, 2007 - 2:02 PM
        I think with all things in life, we must live with awareness, but not be paralyzed by fear. In July, after hiking down Mt. Etna with friends, we got an offer for a ride from a cyclist who was up there with a buddy. He had a nice, big 4wd something or other, rather We happily accepted. Yes, it was more than me alone, but the fellow was quite genuine and cheerful. I think, too, because we were genuine and cheerful, that's what we attracted. :)

        Cheers,
        SW
        • Re: women nomads and vulnerability

          Thu, August 30, 2007 - 11:42 AM
          I would say that unfortunately regardless of how cheerful you are you do not always just get cheerful people approaching you but just trust your instinct. If you are not comfortable with somebody you don't have to come up with an excuse, just don't go with them.

          The more you do the more your instinct will be attuned to what you can do.
          I agree that you need to be careful but you should not let fear paralyze you.
    • Re: women nomads and vulnerability

      Sat, September 29, 2007 - 5:58 PM
      Sierra:

      I think that you nailed it with these two points:

      #2 Don't act like a victim
      #3 Use your smarts. Have a back up plan for worst-case scenario

      I travel to some very out of the way, and even dangerous places.

      But my friend Amanda heads deeper into war zones than I've ever been. She's gotten into truly dangerous situations a number of times, but has always managed to come out safely though a combination of confidence and intelligence.
  • Re: women nomads and vulnerability

    Mon, September 3, 2007 - 1:41 PM
    attitude and awareness can go a long way.....

    Not saying ya need a black belt in karate, but knowing a little basic self defense is a good thing. If nothing else it helps you generate that confident "get the fuck away from me" bubble when you come in contact with people who raise your hackles. Learn to be aware of your surroundings especially when you're in unfamiliar territory - be observant.
    • Re: women nomads and vulnerability

      Tue, September 4, 2007 - 10:01 AM
      This is very true. I have been taking martial arts on and off again and although I never have been forced to use it I'm told I produce an energy around me that says "don't mess with her". This attracts both the really good people worth knowing and the dependent people who like to hang on to people for support. Chances are you will never need to use what you learn, but IF you do, that one time will be worth it.
  • Re: women nomads and vulnerability

    Wed, September 5, 2007 - 7:27 AM
    I've never had a bad experience hitch-hiking. Then again, I haven't hitch-hiked over-seas either! Right now I'm voluteering in Yellowstone National Park, and when this is through, I'm planning to buya one-way ticket to Europe and just wing it. Also planning on hitch-hiking a lot... I haven't researched much but there are A LOT of tips on www.couchsurfing.com which is my favorite travel website.
    • Re: women nomads and vulnerability

      Mon, September 10, 2007 - 3:55 PM
      Don't try landing in London with a oneway ticket...not to say you would. I've been only once on the continent since the EU kicked in, and that was laid back Italy. But even a decade ago the Brits were ready to grill me about not having a lot of money (and I had several thousand on me, I was shocked!) and only 'general' plans. Solid 'arrival' plans, and a back up BS story or two might go a long way. Then go ahead and 'get your freedom on' once through customs-

      Sorry to butt in on the 'ladies discussing their realities' with this, but it's a 'general nomad' issue beyond gender. Or come to think of it, I may have actually have been singled out as a solo male, loner type...
  • Re: women nomads and vulnerability

    Fri, September 28, 2007 - 11:59 AM
    I've travelled lots of ways, and trainhopping seems like the safest as a lone woman, to me. I rarely meet people there, and even if they're not safe feeling, they keep their distance if you tell them to(most of them that suck are too drunk to do anything anyway). There are also a lot of really awesome people out there, and most riders I've met treat me as an equal- not in the corny way, but it's just assumed that I can take care of myself and make my own decisions.
    The problem is cities, and when you're in a yard in a crappy area and need food, attitude is your best friend. Don't be afrain to be rude-- let me repeat - DONT BE AFRAID TO BE RUDE!! If someone touches you, or makes comments, just cuss at them and walk away like it didn't even bother you. Don't act scared, and no one will treat you like you should be.
    Hitching is scarier for me, but again, attitude goes a long way. Don't be afraid to ask to be let out, or turn down offers of whatever.

    Whatever way I'm going, I always try to trust my instincts, because they usually turn out to be right.
    • Re: women nomads and vulnerability

      Fri, September 28, 2007 - 1:43 PM
      Train hopping sounds cool, but I've heard that the train companies hire "yard -bullies" or something like that, and they basically
      monitor the yards and if they catch you they sometimes beat the crap out of you? Is that true? Have you ever had that happen?
      Are women treated nicer?
      • Re: women nomads and vulnerability

        Tue, October 9, 2007 - 12:09 PM
        "bulls", aka rail cops, are fancey security guards hired by train companies. Yes, many of them are looking for you. They are less likely to beat you up than a real cop, by far. Take that as you like.
        I've heard lots of stories about bulls, form them taking people out for breakfast to throwing you in jail.

        The MOST dangerous part about hopping trains is that you're moving around and on huge chunks of steel, weighing MILLIONS of pounds, sliding around on equally hard steel rails!! sometimes silently!! Ver often fast and unexpectedly! Don't just expect to go to a yard and get on a car and end up where you want. You might die. You might lose a leg. Or your neck. Which is necessary to connect your head to the rest of you.

        But other than that, it can also be one of the most beautiful and fulfilling experiences of your life.

        so you know, be careful.
  • Re: women nomads and vulnerability

    Fri, September 28, 2007 - 2:45 PM
    Probably the safest way to see the country is with a female trucker.

    Although you may find yourself getting dropped off somewhat far from your destination. Most of your truckstops are now tied to Greyhound Bus stops.

    When I was over the road I spent more time in Ontario California than anywhere else but was always venturing past Las Vegas and actually had my favorite used bookstore in Flagstaff AZ, my favorite place to eat in Portland Or, My favorite Indian Reservations to stop at etc.. I definitely saw the country everything but ME, NH, CN, MA

    Most the companies do frown on riders. There are a ton of OTR Owner Ops.
    I only drive part-time locally now. But had a blast when I was doing OTR and someday will probably go back to it. (not soon however)

    Two sites that may help you network are:
    Layover.com has a womens forum
    justforladytruckers.com has a forum
  • Re: women nomads and vulnerability

    Sun, September 30, 2007 - 6:49 PM
    I have two close girlfriends that have hitchhiked extensively, although I have not done it yet myself. One friend crossed the US several times, alone or with her dog, and had no real problems-- she said the most important part of dealing with difficult situations was keeping her head and keeping love in her heart. Always be willing to turn down a ride if something feels off, and never put yourself in a situation where you -have- to take a ride. That being said, my other friend was stuck where she -needed- a ride-- in a snowstorm, outside, by herself on a rural country road, took the ride offered, and was raped.
    I don't think it's hard to stay safe when hitchhikin, but like everyone else on here has said, DON'T ACT LIKE A VICTIM, and don't let yourself get into a situation where you allow yourself to BE one. People that aren't victims are aware of their surroundings, react to others with compassion and intelligence (not fear), are confident enough to stand up for their own intuitions, and know that they can defend themselves if absolutely necessary. I would advise keeping a knife on you, or better yet some mace, or at least being aware that everything around you -can be used as a weapon- and know how you would. This is just a training of the mind, attention, and confidence.

    Get a pub trade if you can-- some trick that takes few props and looks pretty flashy. Poi, juggling, hooping (with a collapsible hoop), musical talents or what have you. This can get you some food, money, attract people to whatever your needs are, and put you in touch with fellow travelers. Keep a valid drivers license, and be willing to drive-share for a lift.
    Don't be afraid to ask people for what you need, but do it cordially and with as much personality and personableness as you can. I'm always surprised at how much people are willing to give, once we give them the opportunity to be kind. Try and get to know the people first, then at the end of the conversation... "Say, you wouldn't happen to have...because..."
    Hippie burrito=sleepingbag wrapped in a tarp. Great way to sleep for free in almost any climate.
    Sprout or find your own food-- sprouts are a great source of protein, and easy to make in a backpack with yogurt containers. Dumpsters are a great source of other kinds of food, especially Trader Joes, Whole Foods, etc, for foods one-day-past the sell-by date.

    anyway, these are just a few tips and tricks I learned from my lady friends, and most of them I've used myself with spectacular results.
    Good luck!
  • Re: women nomads and vulnerability

    Mon, October 1, 2007 - 2:00 AM
    Jessica,
    If you are planning to travel abroad I would say to visit Asia first, because it is cheap and it is fairly safe to travel. I've lived in china and have been going there on and off since 2001. That country is very first timer friendly and it is quite safe to travel. It would not a bad idea to do a backpacking trip there, since you could train hop, stay in hostels and might even find occasional travel buddies.
    Violence at times is very relative, but if you take the precautions that are listed above then you should be fine. I would also suggest going to Japan or Korea. Korea is a little over looked at times but it is extremely traveler friendly. If koreans see that you are a foreigner in need of help they will stop and ask if you need help.
    Hope this helps.

    good day,

    Armando
  • Re: women nomads and vulnerability

    Tue, October 9, 2007 - 1:06 PM
    I've traveled alone in the U.S., England and Ireland. without a problem, but using conventional methods like public transport and hostels or tents (not hitchhiking and sleeping outdoors). It's hard to find a good traveling partner so I've actually enjoyed traveling by myself. I don't have to deal with someone else's personal drama shifts or habits. I can eat when I want, sleep when I want, see what I want when I want... without having to continually consider someone else's needs. I also found that locals and other travelers were more likely to approach a lone person for conversation, whereas they are hesitant to do so with a group because they don't want to intrude. I met many nice people as a result, particularly in Ireland. Traveling alone also gives you the flexibility to change plans or join up with another traveler for a bit. On the flip side it can get pretty lonely and it can be frustrating to be some places without companionship.

    check out the lonely planet boards, lots of good info there. Also, there's a good book specificaly about women traveling alone, the name of which is escaping me now.

    I think it's really a matter of time and place regarding safety. Some places are more suitable for lone female travelers than others. You may want to adjust your appearance for different cultures (U.S. and abroad) to better blend or to neutralize any perceived sexual element. Doing some research beforehand can help a lot.

    Personally, I'm not a fan of hitchiking. Maybe it's because I've met so many creeps even as a pedestrian that I can't imagine wanting to risk getting in a car with a stranger. I like being more in control of my destination and I'm not a fan of being locked in a small metal box with someone, going 60mph, in an unfamiliar area should shit go down. A person can be as confident and smart as possible, but they still can't predict someone else's actions or intent. I feel like hitching would greatly eliminate many of my safety and defense options in a bad situation. Yes, the majority of people are probably ok, but it only takes 1 creepville to cause you harm.

    I've known 2 women that have successfully hitchhiked around without incident, but they also did that a decade ago. I think things are quite different now. In the vast majority of places I know it's illegal to pick up hitchers, which to me is an indication of the kind of person who might pick up a hitcher. But really it's a matter of personal comfort I suppose. I'd rather organize ride shares with people I've at least had some prior contact with or take public transport where there are others around to diffuse a situation or offer assistance.
    • Pass on hitchiking!

      Tue, October 9, 2007 - 3:02 PM
      I concur, hitchiking is a gamble. If you do it, you do it knowing that there
      is definitely a possibility of encountering trouble. Let's face it, for every handful of normal people out there, there are
      a few nuts, and sometimes you just can't tell who is and who isn't.

      It does sound tempting though, being able to hitch around, not spend much money on train or a bus.
      that would kind of give you an ultimate sense of freedom, just take off when you want, hold your thumb up and whooosh---you
      are on your way.

      I've never done it, plus, being a guy, you are less likely to get a ride these days. But if you had to, I'd suggest the following:
      1. Only hitch hike during the day.
      2. Only hitch a ride on well-traveled roadways, where you could easily call attention to yourself if need be.
      3. Never jump in a mini-van or large vehicle with tinted windows. You want to see everything inside, and want everyone outside to be able to easily see in as you drive by.
      4. Beware of secluded rest stops.
      5. Always know where you are, and where you are going, pay attention to road signs.
      6. Trust your gut, and never be embarassed to approach a vehicle and then say "no thanks" if you feel uncomfortable for any reason.

      Yep...
  • Re: women nomads and vulnerability

    Tue, October 30, 2007 - 4:24 PM
    Hitch hiking is never safe to do alone no matter what country you are in. I play is safe by doing that with another back packer. It's still not entirely safe but it sure feels allot better for me that way. Traveling on your own in foreign lands always has risks involved but so does stepping outside of your house in the suburbs of California. The truth of the matter is you only live once. So let go of the norm and just do what your heart is aching to do. Many woman all over the world travel alone. I have done many, many trips for many months alone in 3rd world nations. And I found the hospitality to be amazing. I met so many people to keep me company on the road. And a freedom that you will never find any where else.. Go for it girl :)
    • Re: women nomads and vulnerability

      Fri, November 16, 2007 - 11:07 AM
      Have a buddy
      - if at all unsure.

      I believed in my ability to be strong, but was never fierce.

      When I was alone traveling, the taboo happened to me and my friends,
      nothing ever happened to us when we were together.
      • Re: women nomads and vulnerability

        Fri, May 2, 2008 - 1:07 PM
        Even if your entire trip is "alone" doesn't mean you can't form teams with other travellers here and there. you meet someone in a hostel who's going the same way, you can get there together and if you ever disagree on something, part ways again.

        I have hitched in Canada and nothing serious happened to me but just because nothing bad has happened to you YET doesn't mean it never will. I know some very strong women who definitely don't give off victim vibes who have been driven off road and propositioned, been driven out to the middle of nowhere in winter and told they could get out or fuck him, who realised once they were already driving that the driver was drunk/stoned etc. Certainly one can screen out most of the bad guys by only hitching in safe places where there are people around and chattng a bit before you get in, only going in cars with no more than one person, etc. and being willing to give up a ride no matter how long you've waited. But you never know how safe of a driver someone is, even if they don't have bad intentions they could get you in an accident.

        If you must, do it with a partner, preferably male. This means it will take longer to get a ride but if there's 2 of you and one driver, the odds are in your favour.
  • Re: women nomads and vulnerability

    Sun, June 22, 2008 - 8:12 PM
    when you train hop, and you are sleeping, there are the nomads that will not think twice about cutting your throat for your hoodie, or your watch or your shoes and rolling your body over the train in the middle of nowhere. they will pretend to be your friend, travel with you for days earn your trust, get you drunk and then it will happen.

    when you get into a car with a single male or a group of males, or a group of males and maybe one female, you are taking a very serious risk. the guy could be 70 years old, but if he holds a gun to your head you are his.

    im 5'7" 140 and have trained extensively in martial arts, muia thai kick boxing, shaolin kung fun, also trained to fight against multiple people at once, against people with weapons such as knifes and sticks and I would NEVER put myself in a situtation of the above. granted its been about 8 years since i have studied

    if there's one thing that i can add to this is if you plan on traveling like that, learn four moves, how to get out of a choke hold, how to get out of a head lock, how to do a simple front kick and how to throw a cross. learn those four moves well and you can do that by getting a white belt in shaolin kung fu which takes about a month.

    and if you find yourself in a situation where you have to defend yourself, stay as calm as possible and say to yourself,

    "im gonna be the last one standing"

  • Re: women nomads and vulnerability

    Sun, June 29, 2008 - 1:00 PM
    I've hitchhiked a bit around the US and 2000 miles up South America from the bottom of Chile to Bolivia.

    If you’ve traveled alone before, even if you were taking buses from one hostel to another, from one Lonely Planet approved city to the next, you probably still have friends and family back home who were horrified and impressed by your bravery. A woman traveling alone is already living outside of what is generally considered *safe.*

    It wasn’t a big jump for me to start finding rides and then start thumbing them down. I take pride in not living in fear, trust the world to send me good things, carry pepper spray and keep my passport strapped to my body so that I can always get out quick. I never get in a car or truck containing more than one man and no women. I listen to my gut.

    I have never had a bad experience that wasn't solved by a curt demand to be let out. Dealing with sketchy men is a lot like dealing with the sketchy dogs that you will inevitably encounter as well. You let them know that they don't intimidate you. You are not indecisive, passive or worried about being rude.

    It's important to be hyper aware when you are in a place where you don't speak the language well - including the non-verbal language - and don't full understand the culture. You (especially, especially, especially as a woman traveling alone!) may be giving off signals and sending messages that you don't intend. Stay alert.

    I know that I have been lucky and some day my luck may run out and may change my mind about all this. Right now, hitchhiking is a great way for me to stay super up-to-date on my karma count. And I know that even those who stay at home and travel via their books or television sets can tumble down the stairs and break their necks. Or have heart attacks. Or die of boredom - a lonely and painful death that can drag on for decade after miserable decade. THAT is, for me, an unacceptable, unnecessary risk.
  • Re: women nomads and vulnerability

    Sat, July 5, 2008 - 8:34 AM
    i don't think hitch hiking is a good idea. why take chances like that when buses are cheap and easy ways to get around and meet people?
    i would recommend taking a self defense class if you really want to put yourself it that sort of position:
    www.impactbayarea.org/

    i love travelling alone. i think people tend to look out for a woman travelling alone.

    my best trip so far was a round the world trip by bicycle. cheap, easy, fun, and you get to see all the places in between.

    dress conservatively, pay attention to your surroundings, don't go out to bars alone and get drunk, etc.
    • Re: women nomads and vulnerability

      Mon, July 7, 2008 - 2:16 PM
      I agree with alot of whats been said above, and if you do start traveling, keep in mind the martial arts as mentioned many times above.. many places will give you one lesson for free, while it may never cover more then basics.. it can keep your basics strong. Dont limit yourself to trying just one either.. One lesson in Krav Maga might teach you how to get out of a choke, and a couple quick defenses, and also build your stamina, while a class in Muay Thai, Jujitsu, or Kali will take a completely different approach, just try to learn what would be used on the streets first, artful forms are great (shaolin, wushu, ect ect) but to get the most from your one shot lesson, take the ones that dont look so pretty.
      Usually if your in a city, you can used the bus system, public transit is a good bit safer.. if your in la, trying to goto say vegas, there are cheap buses that head out from china town, that you just need to arrange beforehand... they might cost a buck or two.. just do some research, ask around, and team up with others for short spurts, never letting them know how far your really going, just your immediate goal, one you can change if it gets bad.
      Just play it smart.. if falling off a train can kill you, maybe its not the best option... look for another.

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